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2009 August
Took the car back to Serres circuit with Toyo R888 205/50-15 tyres and
custom coil over suspension. Ambient air temperature was 31C with 20%
cloud coverage. Although temperatures were hot a lap time of 1.42.3 was
recorded. An improvement of 8seconds a lap of the standard car. The car
was very composed and easy to drive on the limit although the high
temperatures limited the length of the runs to 3 laps before the tyres
went off. A major issue became apparent with the increased grip of the
tyres and that was fuel starvation. Left or right hand corners effected
the car almost equally. I would say this was costing around half a
second a lap. When the tap was over hapf full. Below half full the car
was undrivable on the track. A low fuel run with a swirl pot will be
interesting.
There some big steps forward which can be made to the car from its
current setup. Although the 205 section R888s were an improvement over
the standard tyres they were still over come by the weight of the car so
an easy gain would be to fit wider tyres, this would be true of any car.
Second would be the reduce the rear ride height so it is more level
with the front. An increase in the camber angle on the front wheels will
also help turn in and give the tyres an easier time.
Harder springs would also improve the handling but going much harder
than the cars is now will seriously comprimise the car for on road use.
With the current spring rates it is just about bearable, anything more
and it is turning the car into track only tool
So in summary the following areas needs to be addressed before taking
the car on track again.
Wider Tyres: 2 second a lap faster
Camber Angle: 1-2seconds per lap
Swirl Pot: 0.5-1second per lap
other optional parts:
Harder springs: 1-2seconds per lap
Weight reduction: 1-2seconds per lap
Turbo: 1-2seconds per lap
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Background
- I have owned this car for two years, the car has 149,000 miles on the
clock of which I have covered 50,000. I bought the nissan primera used
from a second hand dealership for 2,900 pounds. It had some receipts
from previous work carried out. The Primera GT had 2 owners before
myself and had been serviced by Nissan up to 56,000 miles.
I use this car as a daily driver.
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Primer GT price guide.
European Driving.
I have taken this car to Lille twice once with my
mate Chris straight after i bought the motor
(just to check is was a "good 'un"), and once with my girlfriend Venia.
It's also been to Greece
twice.
About the car.
Looks
- The Nissan Primera GT comes with a deeper front and rear bumper than
standard
Nissan Primeras, it also has side skirts, these make up the Nissan
Primera body kit on the GT.
The skirts can cause problems with some garages due to the fact that
they are lower than the
jacking points. ATS is a major culprit, as they have twice dented the
skirts, although in fairnessthey did repair the damage at no cost. If
you own or have just bought a GT I would recommendthat you point out
this issue with ANY garage you take the car to where the car will need
the wheels removed, including the main dealer.
Reliability
- Touch wood I have never had any problems with the car since I bought
it.
Fuel Economy
- The Nissan Primera GT comes with a trip computer as standard which
displays avg speed, time of journey, mpg, distance to empty, and miles
covered. The car
averages around 29-32mpg with enthusiastic driving around town. Motorway
driving sees a
return of between 35 and 40mpg.
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Servicing Costs
- Since the car has been in my possession I have had it serviced at main
dealers at the specified intervals. The main service usually comes to
around 200 pounds with
the minor service costing around 100 pounds. The service interval is
9000 miles. I would
personally recommend the main dealer every time. You get a free courtesy
car, in my
experience a new micra, and you get a stamp in the service book along
with the check list for
the car highlighting all the areas that were checked along with any
issues that may need
attention.
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Parkers click here
Interior Build Quality
- The primera shows no sign of any interior squeeks and all the
electrics work, including the air con. The layout of the controls is
logical and they are easy to
see in the dark. The illumination of the instruments is the best Ive
seen.
The dash is in black although the materials do not look up to modern
standards, with the new
soft touch surfaces being used more and more.
Comfort
- The seats in the front are comfortable and very supportive and are set
quite low
down. The rear seats have good head and legroom, have head rests and a
centre armrest. They have a 60/40 split to the boot. The stereo in the
car has been upgraded with a JVC head unit, the sound in the car is the
best I have ever heard for sound quality.
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Motorway Driving
- The primera gt is very quiet at speed with no parts of the body
causing
noticeable wind noise. The only grip would be that below 4000 rpm in
fifth the car does not pull well.
A-B Road Driving
- The car is by far the most entertaining I have ever driven, and
nothing
has come close to touching it for driving pleasure.
I used to regularly drive on the A40 between Carmarthen and Abergavenney.
For those of you who have driven this route, or would like to drive it,
the best time i have achieved is 59mins obeying all the speed limits in
residential areas. The car suffers from minimal weight transfer in quick
direction changes and corners with little body roll. The car does not
understeer at all, once into a corner a lift of the throttle will bring
the rear into play in a predictable way allowing easy adjustment of the
car through the corner. The car will maintain its composure and line
regardless of the road conditions and if you do go to fast into a corner
a dab on the brakes will tighten the line of the car.
Town Driving
- The car has quite long gearing so in stop start traffic Id rather have
a Micra.
Ride
- The Primera gt has quite hard ride although not uncomfortably so.
Performance
- As mentioned in motorway driving there is quite a big difference in
power
above and below 4000rpm, although it is not noticeable unless you have
your foot to the floor.
The engine likes to rev and pulls cleanly through the rev range with
good power. By todays
standards the Nissan Primera GT is by no means the most powerful, but in
all honesty I am
happy with it, as it is a good compromise with fuel economy.
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Handling
- As I mentioned above the Primera GT is very predictable at the limit,
and will to a
certain extent help the driver out if he or she pushes to hard, although
the car does not come
with any stability control like more modern cars.
Brakes
- The ABS system is very good and it does exactly what it is intended to
do. My one
gripe with it would be is that it does seem to cut in a little early
braking over rough surfaces
when it is not required. The primera stands up to continuous hard
braking very well and gives
plenty of notice when fade is starting to set in. The car brakes from
high speed with no hint of
instability.
High Speed Stability
- I have had the primera GT up to 152mph (indicated) this was down a
slight hill, at this speed however the car is in the red for revs. The
car at this speed
was
showing signs of
instability in the form that it would take an extended period of time to
settle
after bumps in the road. For normal driving the car will reach 120mph
with very little effort and
if your prepared to wait it will go on to 130+ on a flat road. At 130mph
the car is pulling
6000rpm.
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Long Distance Driving
- I have taken this Nissan Primera GT to Greece on two occasions a
one way distance of 1400 miles, the Primera GT caused me no aches and
pains and it kept
me, warm, relaxed and entertained for the whole way. On the first trip I
covered the leg
between Calais and Lyon in 5 hours, a distance of 500 miles.
Value For Money
- The car cost me 2900 pounds and all the servicing approx 1500 pounds.
I
have found the car to be exceptional value for money and I still cannot
think of a car that
comes close to offering so much style, comfort and performance for so
little money. in my
opinion I believe the Nissan Primera GT is an absolute steal at current
prices.
Image
- The car does suffer from a bad image, for whatever reason. I am a
regular reader of
EVO Magazine and the car does not get a mention in the Knowledge, it
would help if it did get
a line in this section of the magazine. If the car is not worthy then
the Peugeot 405MI16 must
be one hell of a machine!
Track Driving-
I have recently taken the Primera GT on a circuit for the first time.
The circuit
was at Serres in the Macedonia region of Greece. My only other time on
the track had been
with a Mk2 XR2 so I was expecting an improvement!
I was anticipating the slight roll experienced during driving on the
road to be exaggerated
during track driving, this was not the case. There was no extra roll
than I had experienced
before which for my reckoning, goes to show what an excellent set up the
Primera GT has out
of the factory.
The circuit itself was quite twisty with a long straight of approx .25
of a mile. With the whole
circuit being 1.98 miles in length. The primera dealt with the abuse I
gave it amazingly, the car
was entirely predictable on the limit with it being easy to adjust with
the throttle. Even when I
entered a corner too fast a lift of the throttle was all that was
required for the car to tighten its
line and scrub off speed to a manageable level.
A major handling
weakness was highlighted during my time on the track with the
Primera.
First of all, the
Primera GT is undertyred from the factory, although this is not so much
of an
issue in daily driving this became a real handicap to fast lap times.
The suspension did
everything that could be asked of it but the width of the tyres were not
up to the job. The
Primera GT was fitted with Avon ZV3 for the track session and as you can
see by the photo,
they deteriorated badly.
For better lap times I would suggest fitting wider tyres as the first
modification. Following this I
would recommend uprated suspension to gain extra traction out of the
corners. During the
corners the standard suspension was fine but getting traction out of
slow corners was a real
problem.
The Nissan Primera stood up to 17 lap session of punishment without any
sign of brake fade,
and some this must be put down to the green stuff pads that I have
fitted to the Primera.
All in all another episode of Nissan Primera GT ownership that has left
me even more in awe of the value for money that this car provides.
To give an idea of how
quick the car was
I managed a best lap of 1.48.2 with formula 3
cars lapping the same circuit in 1.10 and Renault Clio Cup cars in race
trim managing a
1.30.6. I don't know how this stacks up for a standard road car but I
couldn't fault the Primera
one bit for the enjoyment it provided and the ease in which it was to
drive around the track at
consistently high speeds.
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